Leaders are not ‘anti-bonfire’
CAA, Fever heads wait to take stance
Due to a reporting error, this story misstated the relationship between Carolina Athletic Association and Carolina Fever, which is an independent student fan group. The Daily Tar Heel apologizes for the error.
Student Body President Jasmin Jones is starting to feel the heat from other student leaders about her plan to extinguish bonfire culture on Franklin Street.
Leaders of the Carolina Athletic Association and its principal student fan group, Carolina Fever, which would likely be Jones’ vehicles for implementing any kind of change in policy, said they are not sure eliminating the bonfire celebrations is the best plan.
“We are very pro-safety, all about safety,” said CAA President John Russell. “But as of now, I don’t necessarily think we’re anti-bonfires.”
Since this summer, Jones has said she wants to implement safer celebrations after major basketball victories, which would include hiring disc jockeys and implementing a more party-like atmosphere.
She said she is willing to press on with her plan, even if the CAA and Carolina Fever are not willing to sign on.
“I want them to be part of it, but it’s OK if they have dissenting opinions on fires,” she said. “We can take the strong arm. It’s going to take a backlash, but we’re ready for it.”
Russell said he supports Jones but wants to hear students’ opinions before taking a more decisive stance.
“I was elected by the students, and I need to represent them,” he said.
Unlike his predecessor, who pushed strongly for eliminating dangerous celebrations, Russell said the difficulty in preventing students from lighting bonfires makes him reluctant to take action.
“It’s been a tradition in Chapel Hill for a very long time,” he said. “We can’t just come in, like, ‘We have to stop doing this,’” he said.
Carolina Fever co-chairman Desmond Rowe agreed that stopping the bonfires would involve extensive action.
“You can’t just abolish something when it’s a group of willing adults who know the risk,” he said. “It’s like getting in a car every day.”
After touring the N.C. Jaycee Burn Center with Jones on Sept. 25, Rowe said he understands the danger of burns but does not think the Franklin Street bonfires are excessively hazardous.
“If 60,000 people were there and 12 got burned, that’s not even 1 percent,” he said. “I’d understand the impact if someone died.”
Eight students were admitted to the burn center the night the men’s basketball team won the national championship last year.
“No night of fun is worth a life,” Jones said in response to Rowe’s statement.
Russell said it will be a long time before Jones gets a chance to test her plan, which will allow for more campus discussion.
“No one’s going to be lighting fires for our football team,” he said.
Rowe said students have been lighting fires after important victories including national championships and Duke games even though it is illegal.
“It may be very expensive and just not pragmatic for us,” he said. “We don’t want to create more chaos and friction between students and Chapel Hill.”
Rowe said he also plans to consult his constituency before taking a more pronounced stance.
“Jones’s administration will only be here for the remainder of the year,” he said. “This affects not just us but future Carolina students.”
Rowe said the decision to light bonfires ultimately belongs to the students, and that they would have to sign on to any change for it to be effective.
“Promoting safety is wonderful,” he said. “But if willing students want to take a risk, that is their risk to take.”
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CAA- wuhhh??
Well, I notice that there is some question about CAA and its association to Carolina Fever. Well, it also seems there is room for some questions about what is the CAA's association with.. well just about anyone. Going back to 2001, the DTH printed this: "Two Student Congress committees, citing persistent student concerns about the Carolina Athletic Association, paved the way Tuesday for the full Congress to examine the organization's current credibility and decide its future accountability to the student body." So, what was the outcome? what exactly IS the CAA's association or relationship to the Athletic department ? To the GAA? to the university? What body is responsible for it's governance? Dick Baddour? The Dean of Students? The GAA? Who? Who is the faculty advisor? Who comprises the membership? Where is the faculty/ university governance oversite? How are officers chosen? Seems like many questions remain about this group. What was the result of the 2001 investigation?
CAA- wuhhh??
Well, I notice that there is some question about CAA and its association to Carolina Fever. Well, it also seems there is room for some questions about what is the CAA's association with.. well just about anyone. Going back to 2001, the DTH printed this: "Two Student Congress committees, citing persistent student concerns about the Carolina Athletic Association, paved the way Tuesday for the full Congress to examine the organization's current credibility and decide its future accountability to the student body." So, what was the outcome? what exactly IS the CAA's association or relationship to the Athletic department ? To the GAA? to the university? What body is responsible for it's governance? Dick Baddour? The Dean of Students? The GAA? Who? Who is the faculty advisor? Who comprises the membership? Where is the faculty/ university governance oversite? How are officers chosen? Seems like many questions remain about this group. What was the result of the 2001 investigation?
Hello People?
Regardless of whether or not campus organizations support or discourage fires on Franklin street, it's still illegal to start a fire on a public property.
Self Correcting Problem
It seems to me that this is a self correcting problem. You fall into a fire as you jump over it and you won't jump over a fire anymore. If you are afraid of being pushed into the fire, be it on accident or on purpose, then don't stand near one.
When the students celebrate by taking off their own clothes and putting them on a pile and lighting them on fire, there is not much anybody can do anyways...I say, let evolution take its course.
My Indictment of the DTH
I am growing weary of reading editorials poorly guised as responsible journalism on the front page of this publication. This article is another mild entry in the ever growing catalog of biased, misguided agenda driven student crucifixion articles the DTH seems to be pumping out this semester. You are losing credibility and student readership. For this particular article I cannot try and defend some of the provocative quotations, but at the same time it is wildly irresponsible to misquote as often and as conveniently as you seem to do. I am also interested to know the seriousness of the burn incidents and their prevalence historically. I also wonder how many people sustained non burn-related physical injuries as a result of the celebrations – considerably higher than 12 would be my guess. How about you also explore a schematic detailing the logistics of trying to stop celebratory bon-fires and the collateral damage that might cause. Shall we ban celebrations all together? Of course I support prevention and would never claim even a single burn accident is permissible even in the context of thousands, but public celebrations, especially the Franklin Street kind, will always create a bit of chaos. Let’s not blow this regulated chaos out of proportion and focus on issues that actually matter. Back to the grander scale, controversy is not bad, but the DTH is unnecessarily polarizing the campus – here's my personal plea: "Please reassess your platform and (ab)use of power. Thanks."
“If 60,000 people were there
“If 60,000 people were there and 12 got burned, that’s not even 1 percent,” he said. “I’d understand the impact if someone died.”
Oh okay, so we should just wait until someone does die, and then maybe we'd do something about the bonfires? Makes sense! Prevention is never the best solution, of course.
The more you accept the practice, the more bonfires will be made, which means more opportunity for injury. You may claim that you can't stop "adults" (which by the way, I'd love to know your opinion on that word in terms of a 19-year-old once you're good and grown) from starting these fires, but you can sure as heck not condone it. It’s a public street that taxpayers fund for the public to enjoy and use. The public should be able to enjoy and use the street without the fear that they will need to put on a fire protection suit because these so called “adults” think the proper way to celebrate is to light fires. Respect the town you live in and the university you attend. Once you do that, we’ll talk about you being an “adult," kiddo.
your tone
telling someone that they're wrong just because they're young and you're old makes you sound really bitter.
Not bitter
I'm in my mid-20's. That's not old, and I'm not bitter. They aren't wrong because they're young, they're wrong because they have no concern for anyone's safety. They're young to think they are adults at 19. You chose to ignore the point of my post because you think I'm attacking those quoted for being young, which is not the case.
jumping to conclusions (no pun intended)
AC have you ever jumped over bonfires on Franklin? If you had then you would understand how wrong you are when you say that those students "have no concern for anyone's safety". This couldn't be further from the truth. I'm proud to say that I've jumped the fires every chance I've gotten, and every time it's been clear that the entire crowd circling a fire is looking out for one another. If someone jumps a bit short or a few embers go rogue, multiple people immediately act to help their Tar Heel brethren. It's an experience that is as meaningful and pure as linking arms with a stranger in blue to sing the Alma Mater.
I pity you for choosing to spend your undergrad experience holed up in a room playing it safe, rather than knowing what it's like to walk off Franklin St. smelling like sulfur and victory.
MISQUOTE
I wanted to apologize to the Athletic Department and our Football team in response to a quote in this article.
My quote was "It is only Football season, and we only light fires for the duke basketball game, and the men's basketball national championship game" so we do have time to discuss this Safe Celebration plan. This was by no means a slight or an attack on our Football team!
I apologize for this inaccuracy in the DTH.
" 'If 60,000 people were
" 'If 60,000 people were there and 12 got burned, that’s not even 1 percent,” he said. “I’d understand the impact if someone died.' "
It sucks if you're one of those 12, and it's unfortunate if you're waiting to have those discussions until someone severely injures themselves. 'We've always done this!' is an unacceptable excuse to continue doing something. Discussions should be had, constituencies should be polled, and if there's a (majority) consensus that this is the right thing to do, then we should continue doing it.
reality
glad to see that other student leaders are a little more in touch with reality than jasmin.
Bonfire "tradion" started when?
No idea whether bonfires are a good idea or not, but for the sake of historical accuracy, I think the DTH should find out when this so-called tradition actually started. We wonder where CAA President John Russell got the idea that this tradition goes back "a very long time" because we've lived in Chapel Hill since 1974, and we don't remember seeing bonfires before February 2001. Perhaps the DTH could do a little fact checking for historical accuracy. Look back at old editions of DTH after big wins (e.g. 1957, 1982, 1993) and report what you find.
Partial Answer
While I can't confirm when the tradition started, my father participated in a handful of bonfires during his stint in chapel hill (1978-1982).